1. Home
    1. Start Here: Study Guide
    2. Community Standards And Posting Policies
    3. Terms of Use
    4. Moderator Team
    5. Website Overview
    6. Site Map
    7. Quizzes
    8. Articles
      1. Featured Articles
    9. All Blog Posts
      1. Elli's Blog / Articles
  2. Wiki
    1. Wiki Home
    2. FAQ
    3. Classical Epicureanism
    4. Files
    5. Search Assistance
    6. Not NeoEpicurean
    7. Foundations
    8. Navigation Outlines
    9. Reading List
    10. Key Pages
  3. Forum
    1. Full Forum List
    2. Welcome Threads
    3. Physics
    4. Canonics
    5. Ethics
    6. Forum Shortcuts
    7. Forum Navigation Map
    8. Featured
    9. Most Discussed
  4. Latest
    1. New Activity
    2. Latest Threads
    3. Dashboard
    4. Search By Tag
    5. Complete Tag List
  5. Podcast
    1. Lucretius Today Podcast
    2. Episode Guide
    3. Lucretius Today At Youtube
    4. EpicureanFriends Youtube Page
  6. Texts
    1. Overview
    2. Diogenes Laertius
    3. Principal Doctrines
    4. Vatican Collection
    5. Lucretius
    6. Herodotus
    7. Pythocles
    8. Menoeceus
    9. Fragments - Usener Collection
    10. Torquatus On Ethics
    11. Velleius On Gods
    12. Greek/Latin Help
  7. Gallery
    1. Featured images
    2. Albums
    3. Latest Images
    4. Latest Comments
  8. More
    1. Featured Content
    2. Calendar
      1. Upcoming Events List
      2. Zoom Meetings
      3. Sunday Zoom Meetings
    3. Logbook
    4. EF ToDo List
    5. Link-Database
  • Login
  • Register
  • Search
This Thread
  • Everywhere
  • This Thread
  • This Forum
  • Forum
  • Articles
  • Blog Articles
  • Files
  • Gallery
  • Events
  • Pages
  • Wiki
  • Help
  • FAQ
  • More Options

Welcome To EpicureanFriends.com!

"Remember that you are mortal, and you have a limited time to live, and in devoting yourself to discussion of the nature of time and eternity you have seen things that have been, are now, and are to come."

Sign In Now
or
Register a new account
  1. Home
    1. Start Here: Study Guide
    2. Community Standards And Posting Policies
    3. Terms of Use
    4. Moderator Team
    5. Website Overview
    6. Site Map
    7. Quizzes
    8. Articles
      1. Featured Articles
    9. All Blog Posts
      1. Elli's Blog / Articles
  2. Wiki
    1. Wiki Home
    2. FAQ
    3. Classical Epicureanism
    4. Files
    5. Search Assistance
    6. Not NeoEpicurean
    7. Foundations
    8. Navigation Outlines
    9. Reading List
    10. Key Pages
  3. Forum
    1. Full Forum List
    2. Welcome Threads
    3. Physics
    4. Canonics
    5. Ethics
    6. Forum Shortcuts
    7. Forum Navigation Map
    8. Featured
    9. Most Discussed
  4. Latest
    1. New Activity
    2. Latest Threads
    3. Dashboard
    4. Search By Tag
    5. Complete Tag List
  5. Podcast
    1. Lucretius Today Podcast
    2. Episode Guide
    3. Lucretius Today At Youtube
    4. EpicureanFriends Youtube Page
  6. Texts
    1. Overview
    2. Diogenes Laertius
    3. Principal Doctrines
    4. Vatican Collection
    5. Lucretius
    6. Herodotus
    7. Pythocles
    8. Menoeceus
    9. Fragments - Usener Collection
    10. Torquatus On Ethics
    11. Velleius On Gods
    12. Greek/Latin Help
  7. Gallery
    1. Featured images
    2. Albums
    3. Latest Images
    4. Latest Comments
  8. More
    1. Featured Content
    2. Calendar
      1. Upcoming Events List
      2. Zoom Meetings
      3. Sunday Zoom Meetings
    3. Logbook
    4. EF ToDo List
    5. Link-Database
  1. Home
    1. Start Here: Study Guide
    2. Community Standards And Posting Policies
    3. Terms of Use
    4. Moderator Team
    5. Website Overview
    6. Site Map
    7. Quizzes
    8. Articles
      1. Featured Articles
    9. All Blog Posts
      1. Elli's Blog / Articles
  2. Wiki
    1. Wiki Home
    2. FAQ
    3. Classical Epicureanism
    4. Files
    5. Search Assistance
    6. Not NeoEpicurean
    7. Foundations
    8. Navigation Outlines
    9. Reading List
    10. Key Pages
  3. Forum
    1. Full Forum List
    2. Welcome Threads
    3. Physics
    4. Canonics
    5. Ethics
    6. Forum Shortcuts
    7. Forum Navigation Map
    8. Featured
    9. Most Discussed
  4. Latest
    1. New Activity
    2. Latest Threads
    3. Dashboard
    4. Search By Tag
    5. Complete Tag List
  5. Podcast
    1. Lucretius Today Podcast
    2. Episode Guide
    3. Lucretius Today At Youtube
    4. EpicureanFriends Youtube Page
  6. Texts
    1. Overview
    2. Diogenes Laertius
    3. Principal Doctrines
    4. Vatican Collection
    5. Lucretius
    6. Herodotus
    7. Pythocles
    8. Menoeceus
    9. Fragments - Usener Collection
    10. Torquatus On Ethics
    11. Velleius On Gods
    12. Greek/Latin Help
  7. Gallery
    1. Featured images
    2. Albums
    3. Latest Images
    4. Latest Comments
  8. More
    1. Featured Content
    2. Calendar
      1. Upcoming Events List
      2. Zoom Meetings
      3. Sunday Zoom Meetings
    3. Logbook
    4. EF ToDo List
    5. Link-Database
  1. EpicureanFriends - Home of Classical Epicurean Philosophy
  2. Forum
  3. Ancient Texts Relevant To Epicurus
  4. Epicurus - Letters And Works
  5. Epicurus - Principal Doctrines
  • Sidebar
  • Sidebar

PD01 - How Blessed and Imperishable Are Used in the Bible

  • Don
  • July 24, 2021 at 7:08 AM
  • Go to last post
  • Don
    ΕΠΙΚΟΥΡΕΙΟΣ (Epicurist)
    Points
    41,691
    Posts
    5,799
    Quizzes
    9
    Quiz rate
    92.8 %
    • July 24, 2021 at 7:08 AM
    • #1

    τὸ μακάριον καὶ ἄφθαρτον are the Greek words used in PD1

    I recently discovered that the famous Beatitudes in the New Testament use the same word as Epicurus's Principal Doctrine 1: μακάριος (makarios) "blessed" https://biblehub.com/greek/3107.htm I'm *not* saying that the Epicureans influenced the Bible writers (a la Dewitt), but I thought it might be instructive to see that word used in a more familiar context to add a different level of meaning to the Doctrine. The Beatitudes obviously applied to people not gods. So, how can we interpret PD 1 to also apply to human beings? There is commentary out there along those lines, so I'm not going to outline it all here. Just something for thought on this post.

    Since I found μακάριος in the Beatitudes, I also decided to see how the other descriptor in PD1, άφθαρτος (aphthartos) "incorruptible," appeared in the Bible: https://biblehub.com/greek/862.htm I Peter 3:4 is an interesting context "the imperishable quality of a gentle and quiet spirit." and 1:23 "for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable." Again, this imperishability is experienced by living humans in this context.

    Personally, I think this strengthens the "idealist" concept of the Epicurean gods (a la Sedley et al). I've read papers that say that people/sages can/could become "gods" in the Epicurean sense if they become exemplars of the philosophy in life and, after they die, can continue as an imperishable concept in the minds of those who come after them. The sage doesn't exist anymore, but their example is άφθαρτον "imperishable" because it now relies only on recollecting the images of their example.

  • Online
    Cassius
    05 - Administrator
    Points
    108,131
    Posts
    14,858
    Quizzes
    9
    Quiz rate
    100.0 %
    • July 24, 2021 at 7:17 AM
    • #2

    So the word Beatitude (or its root beatus?) is the Latin equivalent of blessed?

    What does beatus mean in Latin?
    English words for beatus include blessed, prosperous, wealthy, fortunate, blissful, blessed creature, blithe, righteous, saint and excellent. Find more Latin…
    www.wordhippo.com

    I see these for imperishable:

    How to say imperishable in Latin
    Latin words for imperishable include incorruptibilis, incorruptivus, inconruptus, inconruptorius, inconruptivus, incorruptorius, aeviternus, inviolabilis,…
    www.wordhippo.com
  • Don
    ΕΠΙΚΟΥΡΕΙΟΣ (Epicurist)
    Points
    41,691
    Posts
    5,799
    Quizzes
    9
    Quiz rate
    92.8 %
    • July 24, 2021 at 7:33 AM
    • #3

    Just remember, the original is in Greek. The Latin is a translation first done by "St" Jerome if I remember correctly. It may be interesting to see how those verses with makarios and aphthartos were translated into the Latin.

  • Don
    ΕΠΙΚΟΥΡΕΙΟΣ (Epicurist)
    Points
    41,691
    Posts
    5,799
    Quizzes
    9
    Quiz rate
    92.8 %
    • July 24, 2021 at 8:07 AM
    • #4

    Latin Vulgate Bible with Douay-Rheims and King James Version Side-by-Side+Complete Sayings of Jesus Christ

    Beatitudes - Wikipedia
    en.wikipedia.org

    Latin Vulgate Bible with Douay-Rheims and King James Version Side-by-Side+Complete Sayings of Jesus Christ

  • Online
    Cassius
    05 - Administrator
    Points
    108,131
    Posts
    14,858
    Quizzes
    9
    Quiz rate
    100.0 %
    • July 24, 2021 at 9:08 AM
    • #5

    Thanks for the references, I always recoil in distaste at reading that, especially

    Quote

    12Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven.....

    Few doctrines are as life-destroying.

  • Don
    ΕΠΙΚΟΥΡΕΙΟΣ (Epicurist)
    Points
    41,691
    Posts
    5,799
    Quizzes
    9
    Quiz rate
    92.8 %
    • July 24, 2021 at 9:38 AM
    • #6
    Quote from Cassius

    Thanks for the references, I always recoil in distaste at reading that, especially

    Quote

    12Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven.....

    Few doctrines are as life-destroying.

    Amen! ( ;) )

  • Don
    ΕΠΙΚΟΥΡΕΙΟΣ (Epicurist)
    Points
    41,691
    Posts
    5,799
    Quizzes
    9
    Quiz rate
    92.8 %
    • July 24, 2021 at 10:46 AM
    • #7

    The Latin translation of μακάριος is beatus:

    Charlton T. Lewis, An Elementary Latin Dictionary, beātus

  • Online
    Cassius
    05 - Administrator
    Points
    108,131
    Posts
    14,858
    Quizzes
    9
    Quiz rate
    100.0 %
    • July 24, 2021 at 10:56 AM
    • #8

    I wonder what other Latin roots that resembles. I tend to think de- tends to be God or divine, but not so be-

  • Don
    ΕΠΙΚΟΥΡΕΙΟΣ (Epicurist)
    Points
    41,691
    Posts
    5,799
    Quizzes
    9
    Quiz rate
    92.8 %
    • July 24, 2021 at 11:05 AM
    • #9

    It's related to Latin beo

    Latin Word Study Tool

  • Cassius November 26, 2022 at 3:58 PM

    Moved the thread from forum PD 1 -The blessed and immortal nature knows no trouble itself ... to forum New PD1 Forum.
  • Cassius July 5, 2025 at 4:43 PM

    Moved the thread from forum PD 01 - The blessed and immortal nature knows no trouble itself ... to forum Epicurus - Principal Doctrines.
  • Cassius July 5, 2025 at 5:17 PM

    Changed the title of the thread from “How Blessed and Imperishable Are Used in the Bible” to “PD01 - How Blessed and Imperishable Are Used in the Bible”.

Finding Things At EpicureanFriends.com

Here is a list of suggested search strategies:

  • Website Overview page - clickable links arrranged by cards.
  • Forum Main Page - list of forums and subforums arranged by topic. Threads are posted according to relevant topics. The "Uncategorized subforum" contains threads which do not fall into any existing topic (also contains older "unfiled" threads which will soon be moved).
  • Search Tool - icon is located on the top right of every page. Note that the search box asks you what section of the forum you'd like to search. If you don't know, select "Everywhere."
  • Search By Key Tags - curated to show frequently-searched topics.
  • Full Tag List - an alphabetical list of all tags.

Resources

  1. Getting Started At EpicureanFriends
  2. Community Standards And Posting Policies
  3. The Major Doctrines of Classical Epicurean Philosophy
  4. Introductory Videos
  5. Wiki
  6. Lucretius Today Podcast
    1. Podcast Episode Guide
  7. Key Epicurean Texts
    1. Side-By-Side Diogenes Laertius X (Bio And All Key Writings of Epicurus)
    2. Side-By-Side Lucretius - On The Nature Of Things
    3. Side-By-Side Torquatus On Ethics
    4. Side-By-Side Velleius on Divinity
    5. Lucretius Topical Outline
    6. Fragment Collection
  8. Frequently Asked Questions
    1. FAQ Discussions
  9. Full List of Forums
    1. Physics Discussions
    2. Canonics Discussions
    3. Ethics Discussions
    4. All Recent Forum Activities
  10. Image Gallery
  11. Featured Articles
  12. Featured Blog Posts
  13. Quiz Section
  14. Activities Calendar
  15. Special Resource Pages
  16. File Database
  17. Site Map
    1. Home

Frequently Used Forums

  • Frequently Asked / Introductory Questions
  • News And Announcements
  • Lucretius Today Podcast
  • Physics (The Nature of the Universe)
  • Canonics (The Tests Of Truth)
  • Ethics (How To Live)
  • Against Determinism
  • Against Skepticism
  • The "Meaning of Life" Question
  • Uncategorized Discussion
  • Comparisons With Other Philosophies
  • Historical Figures
  • Ancient Texts
  • Decline of The Ancient Epicurean Age
  • Unsolved Questions of Epicurean History
  • Welcome New Participants
  • Events - Activism - Outreach
  • Full Forum List

Latest Posts

  • Epicurean Fear of Death

    TauPhi December 10, 2025 at 4:58 PM
  • Apollo vs Dionysus - The Philosophical Issues

    Cassius December 10, 2025 at 8:02 AM
  • Earthly Gods

    Eikadistes December 9, 2025 at 1:23 PM
  • 'Their God Is The Belly" / "The Root of All Good Is The Pleasure Of The Stomach" And Similar Attributions

    Pacatus December 9, 2025 at 12:12 PM
  • Epicurus vs Aristotle: the Role of Reason vs Sensation Seeking?

    Kalosyni December 9, 2025 at 8:12 AM
  • Largest Spinning Object in the Known Universe

    Cassius December 8, 2025 at 8:07 PM
  • Welcome EdGenX

    Patrikios December 8, 2025 at 4:15 PM
  • Happy Birthday General Thread

    EdGenX December 8, 2025 at 2:02 PM
  • Aristarchus calculation of the "size" of the sun

    Kalosyni December 7, 2025 at 7:07 PM
  • So You Want To Learn Ancient Greek Or Latin?

    Don December 7, 2025 at 11:16 AM

Frequently Used Tags

In addition to posting in the appropriate forums, participants are encouraged to reference the following tags in their posts:

  • #Physics
    • #Atomism
    • #Gods
    • #Images
    • #Infinity
    • #Eternity
    • #Life
    • #Death
  • #Canonics
    • #Knowledge
    • #Scepticism
  • #Ethics

    • #Pleasure
    • #Pain
    • #Engagement
    • #EpicureanLiving
    • #Happiness
    • #Virtue
      • #Wisdom
      • #Temperance
      • #Courage
      • #Justice
      • #Honesty
      • #Faith (Confidence)
      • #Suavity
      • #Consideration
      • #Hope
      • #Gratitude
      • #Friendship



Click Here To Search All Tags

To Suggest Additions To This List Click Here

Tags

  • PD01

EpicureanFriends - Classical Epicurean Philosophy

  1. Home
    1. About Us
    2. Classical Epicurean Philosophy
  2. Wiki
    1. Getting Started
  3. Frequently Asked Questions
    1. Site Map
  4. Forum
    1. Latest Threads
    2. Featured Threads
    3. Unread Posts
  5. Texts
    1. Core Texts
    2. Biography of Epicurus
    3. Lucretius
  6. Articles
    1. Latest Articles
  7. Gallery
    1. Featured Images
  8. Calendar
    1. This Month At EpicureanFriends
Powered by WoltLab Suite™ 6.0.22
Style: Inspire by cls-design
Stylename
Inspire
Manufacturer
cls-design
Licence
Commercial styles
Help
Supportforum
Visit cls-design