1. New
    1. Member Announcements
  2. Home
    1. Get Started - Activities
    2. Posting Policies
    3. Community Standards
    4. Terms of Use
    5. Moderator Team
    6. Site Map
    7. Quizzes
    8. Articles
      1. Featured Articles
      2. Blog Posts at EpicureanFriends
  3. Wiki
    1. Wiki Home
    2. FAQ
    3. Classical Epicureanism
    4. Physics
    5. Canonics
    6. Ethics
    7. Search Assistance
    8. Not NeoEpicurean
    9. Foundations
    10. Navigation Outlines
    11. Key Pages
  4. Forum
    1. New Activity
    2. New Threads
    3. Welcome
    4. General Discussion
    5. Featured
    6. Activism
    7. Shortcuts
    8. Dashboard
    9. Full Forum List
    10. Level 3+
    11. Most Discussed
  5. Podcast
    1. Lucretius Today Podcast
    2. Episode Guide
    3. Lucretius Today At Youtube
    4. EpicureanFriends Youtube Page
  6. Texts
    1. Overview
    2. Diogenes Laertius
    3. Principal Doctrines
    4. Vatican Sayings
    5. Lucretius
    6. Herodotus
    7. Pythocles
    8. Menoeceus
    9. Fragments - Usener Collection
    10. Torquatus On Ethics
    11. Velleius On Gods
    12. Greek/Latin Help
  7. Gallery
    1. Featured images
    2. Albums
    3. Latest Images
    4. Latest Comments
  8. Calendar
    1. Upcoming Events List
    2. Zoom Meetings
    3. This Month
    4. First Monday Zoom Meetings
    5. Wednesday Zoom Meeting
    6. Twentieth Zoom Meetings
    7. Zoom Meetings
  9. Other
    1. Featured Content
    2. Blog Posts
    3. Files
    4. Logbook
    5. EF ToDo List
    6. Link-Database
  • Login
  • Register
  • Search
This Thread

Welcome To EpicureanFriends.com!

"Remember that you are mortal, and you have a limited time to live, and in devoting yourself to discussion of the nature of time and eternity you have seen things that have been, are now, and are to come."

Sign In Now
or
Register a new account
  1. New
  2. Home
  3. Wiki
  4. Forum
  5. Podcast
  6. Texts
  7. Gallery
  8. Calendar
  9. Other
  1. Forum
    1. New Activity
    2. New Threads
    3. Welcome
    4. General Discussion
    5. Featured
    6. Activism
    7. Shortcuts
    8. Dashboard
    9. Full Forum List
    10. Level 3+
    11. Most Discussed
  1. EpicureanFriends - Home of Classical Epicurean Philosophy
  2. Forum
  3. Physics - The Nature Of The Universe
  4. Gods Have No Attributes Inconsistent With Blessedness and Incorruptibility
  • Sidebar
  • Sidebar

Which (Epicurean) God ...?

  • Pacatus
  • May 28, 2023 at 5:30 PM
  • Go to last post
Regularly Checking In On A Small Screen Device? Bookmark THIS page!
Western Hemisphere Zoom.  This Sunday, May 18th, at 12:30 PM EDT, we will have another zoom meeting at a time more convenient for our non-USA participants.   This will be another get-to-know-you meeting, followed by topical meetings later. For more details check here.
  • Pacatus
    03 - Member
    Points
    6,198
    Posts
    775
    Quizzes
    5
    Quiz rate
    92.3 %
    • May 28, 2023 at 5:30 PM
    • #1

    In Hinduism, there is the concept of “Ishtadevata”: your personally chosen or preferred god for devotion/worship/contemplation. Since the gods don’t tend to be jealous, that doesn’t mean you cannot honor other gods as well.

    Given the Greek (and Greco-Roman) polytheism of Epicurus’ time – which really does not support relating to just an ambiguous, abstract notion of “divinity” (natural or supernatural) – and Epicurus’ encouragement to honor the gods … which might you choose as your “ishtadevata”? (Not that I think you have to be limited to the Greco-Roman pantheons.)

    ~ ~ ~

    I am generally drawn to Dionysus: god of wine and song, dance and ecstasy (etc.).

    But, on reflection, I think I’ll go with Gaia: goddess of the earth – a primordial Greek divinity that represents all the gifts of the earth in which we live. And, I think, a goddess who personifies the naturality (and nature) in which we exist. Perhaps not so distant as the gods that might dwell in the cosmic interstices of distant worlds …

    As for some contemplative ritual or practice – I need to work on that.

    Looking forward to seeing others’ thoughts …



    Image of The Earth Goddess at the Atlanta Botanical Gardens.

    "We must try to make the end of the journey better than the beginning, as long as we are journeying; but when we come to the end, we must be happy and content." (Vatican Saying 48)

  • Don
    ΕΠΙΚΟΥΡΕΙΟΣ (Epicurist)
    Points
    39,382
    Posts
    5,492
    Quizzes
    9
    Quiz rate
    92.8 %
    • May 28, 2023 at 6:29 PM
    • #2

    I'd have to think about me, but I seem to remember DeWitt writing about Epicurus's connection to Apollo.

    And Philodemus throws in the occasional "By Zeus!" into his prose.

    And, of course, we have the literal Hymn to Venus from Lucretius.

    I don't think they'd necessarily fall under a "personally chosen or preferred god" or not, but those individual gods peppered throughout Epicurean texts are intriguing.

  • Pacatus
    03 - Member
    Points
    6,198
    Posts
    775
    Quizzes
    5
    Quiz rate
    92.3 %
    • May 28, 2023 at 6:37 PM
    • #3

    Don

    One would think that Hedone/Voluptas would be natural options.

    But -- you're Apollo all the way! ;)

    "We must try to make the end of the journey better than the beginning, as long as we are journeying; but when we come to the end, we must be happy and content." (Vatican Saying 48)

  • Root304
    Guest
    • May 30, 2023 at 5:10 AM
    • #4

    I've yet to be be drawn to any particular God that made sense for me to set up a votive image of and think about in terms of Epicurean veneration. I've thought about it, maybe even desired it, and probably given it too much thought. But for me the Heroic figure of Epicurus and his Friends are enough for me to get the job done in terms of votive images to set up or figures to think about while reciting passages, remembering or otherwise reflecting on the teachings. I wouldn't know exactly what I would be doing with a hunting Goddess like the Finnish Mielikki or the Saint of Hunting in Saint Hubert, for examples of figures I've thought about venerating, beyond toying with abstract concepts about the practice of hunting has had on my life and humankind. I'd be better off having an image of my father who was quite the hunter-gatherer when he was alive. Bringing abstract concepts back to memories, relationships, Friendships, seems more Epicurean to me. Let photographs and other objects that remind me of my Friendships, be my votive images.

  • Pacatus
    03 - Member
    Points
    6,198
    Posts
    775
    Quizzes
    5
    Quiz rate
    92.3 %
    • May 31, 2023 at 12:17 PM
    • #5

    This makes perfect sense, and I think is quite in sync with Epicurean tradition.

    "We must try to make the end of the journey better than the beginning, as long as we are journeying; but when we come to the end, we must be happy and content." (Vatican Saying 48)

  • Cassius January 23, 2024 at 11:26 AM

    Moved the thread from forum Epicurean Divinity, Piety, And the Question of "Religion" to forum Nature Has No Gods Over Her.

Unread Threads

    1. Title
    2. Replies
    3. Last Reply
    1. ⟐ as the symbol of the philosophy of Epicurus 51

      • Like 1
      • michelepinto
      • March 18, 2021 at 11:59 AM
      • General Discussion
      • michelepinto
      • May 16, 2025 at 12:01 PM
    2. Replies
      51
      Views
      8.3k
      51
    3. Julia

      May 16, 2025 at 12:01 PM
    1. Analysing movies through an Epicurean lens 15

      • Like 1
      • Rolf
      • May 12, 2025 at 4:54 PM
      • General Discussion
      • Rolf
      • May 15, 2025 at 9:59 AM
    2. Replies
      15
      Views
      716
      15
    3. Rolf

      May 15, 2025 at 9:59 AM
    1. "All Models Are Wrong, But Some Are Useful" 4

      • Like 2
      • Cassius
      • January 21, 2024 at 11:21 AM
      • General Discussion
      • Cassius
      • May 14, 2025 at 1:49 PM
    2. Replies
      4
      Views
      1.2k
      4
    3. kochiekoch

      May 14, 2025 at 1:49 PM
    1. Is All Desire Painful? How Would Epicurus Answer? 24

      • Like 1
      • Cassius
      • May 7, 2025 at 10:02 PM
      • General Discussion
      • Cassius
      • May 10, 2025 at 3:42 PM
    2. Replies
      24
      Views
      1.1k
      24
    3. sanantoniogarden

      May 10, 2025 at 3:42 PM
    1. Pompeii Then and Now 7

      • Like 2
      • kochiekoch
      • January 22, 2025 at 1:19 PM
      • General Discussion
      • kochiekoch
      • May 8, 2025 at 3:50 PM
    2. Replies
      7
      Views
      1.1k
      7
    3. kochiekoch

      May 8, 2025 at 3:50 PM

Latest Posts

  • What Makes Someone "An Epicurean?"

    Onenski May 16, 2025 at 9:16 PM
  • ⟐ as the symbol of the philosophy of Epicurus

    Julia May 16, 2025 at 12:01 PM
  • Introductory Level Study Group via Zoom - Interest Level and Planning

    Cassius May 16, 2025 at 9:10 AM
  • Personal mottos?

    Don May 15, 2025 at 11:12 PM
  • Analysing movies through an Epicurean lens

    Rolf May 15, 2025 at 9:59 AM
  • Episode 281 - Is Pain An Evil? - Part One - Not Yet Recorded

    Cassius May 15, 2025 at 5:45 AM
  • Happy Birthday General Thread

    Cassius May 15, 2025 at 4:07 AM
  • Episode 280 - On Death And Daring To Live

    Cassius May 14, 2025 at 7:17 PM
  • "All Models Are Wrong, But Some Are Useful"

    kochiekoch May 14, 2025 at 1:49 PM
  • Diving Deep Into The History of The Tetrapharmakon / Tetrapharmakos

    Cassius May 14, 2025 at 1:19 PM

Similar Threads

  • Episode One Hundred Forty-Three - Diogenes of Oinoanda (Part 3) The Superiority of The Epicurean Viewpoint on "Gods"

    • Cassius
    • October 5, 2022 at 10:51 AM
    • The Lucretius Today Podcast
  • Sextus Empiricus

    • Kalosyni
    • November 4, 2022 at 9:40 AM
    • Other Non-Epicureans
  • Episode One Hundred Thirty-Five - The Letter to Menoeceus 02 - On The Nature of the Gods

    • Cassius
    • August 8, 2022 at 8:11 AM
    • The Lucretius Today Podcast
  • Epicurean Friends Newsletter - March 2019

    • Cassius
    • February 25, 2019 at 3:41 PM
    • Greetings For Twentieth And Other Events
  • Hegel's Summary of Epicurus and Epicurean Philosophy

    • Cassius
    • June 6, 2022 at 2:20 PM
    • Comparing Epicurus With Other Philosophers - General Discussion and Navigation

EpicureanFriends - Classical Epicurean Philosophy

  1. Home
    1. About Us
    2. Classical Epicurean Philosophy
  2. Wiki
    1. Getting Started
  3. Frequently Asked Questions
    1. Site Map
  4. Forum
    1. Latest Threads
    2. Featured Threads
    3. Unread Posts
  5. Texts
    1. Core Texts
    2. Biography of Epicurus
    3. Lucretius
  6. Articles
    1. Latest Articles
  7. Gallery
    1. Featured Images
  8. Calendar
    1. This Month At EpicureanFriends
Powered by WoltLab Suite™ 6.0.22
Style: Inspire by cls-design
Stylename
Inspire
Manufacturer
cls-design
Licence
Commercial styles
Help
Supportforum
Visit cls-design
  • Everywhere
  • This Thread
  • This Forum
  • Forum
  • Articles
  • Blog Articles
  • Files
  • Gallery
  • Events
  • Pages
  • Wiki
  • Help
  • FAQ
  • More Options
foo
Save Quote