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    • July 28, 2023 at 12:39 PM
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    Desires imply cognition and rational decision-making, whereas pleasure and pain are sensations which we can't decide not to feel.

    This needs a bit more parsing: I don't think that there's always a rational component to desires. In fact a large part of advertising is finding ways to create desires which get beneath the rational. Choosing whether or not to act on a desire is definitely a rational operation, but on some level a desire is a craving, a feeling, perhaps a type of pain.

    From Oxford Languages Dictionary online:

    de·sire /dəˈzī(ə)r/ noun

    a strong feeling of wanting to have something or wishing for something to happen.

    "a desire to work in the dirt with your bare hands"

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    • July 28, 2023 at 1:31 PM
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    This needs a bit more parsing: I don't think that there's always a rational component to desires. I

    With your explanations there, I fully agree!

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    Choosing whether or not to act on a desire is definitely a rational operation,

    Yes.

    I could see there being "subconscious" desires or ingrained habitual desires.

    Edit:

    I think I would also include addiction in this category.

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    Moved the thread from forum Two Equal-Rank Categories Within "Pleasure" - Stimulative/Kinetic And Non-Stimulative/Katastematic to forum Only Two Feelings - Pleasure and Pain.

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